Multiple players bypassing prop protection with e2 holos

[Jumping Spiders Are Cute]

I can imagine that if something permanent could be done about it, it wouldve been done already, but I'm tired of people duping my stuff into e2 holos and getting away with it. I have heard different people say that it is totally possible to convert the holos into props. Some of the things that this has been done to are literally just models at the moment, and thus have been copied entirely.

I can list three people who have done it to me and many others multiple times, even after having been asked to stop, multiple times. 

iD4NG3R'
ImChris
Bonus Duck

Bonus Duck I have not had this problem with since Thomas asked him to stop, but I will put his name here for the sake of proof.

ImChris has done it multiple times in the past and practically every time I've seen him on. He also did it today and even after I pleaded with him to stop, he agreed to stop, but continued doing it. Although I do not have valid proof, I'm sure that others would vouche for me. I do not have proof of him doing it to myself, but I do have screenshot proof of him doing it to someone else, here; http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/fi...=853732875

iD4NG3R' did it to me about 5 minutes before I started typing this report, and did not continue. We argued about it, but he did not say he wouldn't do it again. He did it yesterday to Heavyweapons and I, and probably a few others. We both asked him to stop, but he refused, and so Heavyweapons removed his tank and did not spawn anything for a few minutes for this reason. 

I want it to stop. I understand that there isnt a way that exact function can be stopped, but it is bypassing prop protection, and if they were just testing it, why risk starting an arguement with someone? They cant be so stupid as to NOT think that an arguement could ever happen from them doing it. NEITHER OF THEM EVER ASKED before doing it either. Bonus Duck is the only exception, as he did stop completely when Thomas came to the server and told him to stop. 

I will use Heavyweapons as a witness, as it happened to him yesterday. I will also use Moe, as he saw iD4NG3R' do it to me, then proceeded to mock me as I argued with iD4NG3R' about it. I know many others have witnessed this type of thing happening, but I dont want to name them, as I am unsure of individual people. 

I'm not suggestion a staff member come on every time this happens. Honestly, the only thing I think would be appropriate would be a ban from using e2 for an amount of time. 

[iD4NG3R`]

I have no idea why I'm even responding to this since you utterly refuse to read into subject matter before opening a discussion, but let's go.

We argued about it, but he did not say he wouldn't do it again.

Do what again? Use holograms? Use the find function? Try not to jump to conclusions all the time.

[12:00:10 AM] | (Mechwarrior) Jumping Spiders Are Cute: im gonna ask you once
[12:00:13 AM] | (Mechwarrior) Jumping Spiders Are Cute: do not do that
[12:00:34 AM] | iD4NG3R`: Oh feel free to ask me, not gonna guarantee I'll never use holograms again :')
[12:00:36 AM] | (Mechwarrior) Jumping Spiders Are Cute: do not copy my stuff without my permission. 
[12:00:39 AM] | iD4NG3R`: I'm not.
[12:00:43 AM] | (Mechwarrior) Jumping Spiders Are Cute: you are. 
[12:00:43 AM] | iD4NG3R`: Nor will I ever.

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Or a bit later when I tried explaining what happened:

[12:01:09 AM] | iD4NG3R`: Again: I'm not. All I'm doing is using the find function in E2 to find props that my client is receiving anyhow.

To which you replied:

[12:01:18 AM] | (Mechwarrior) Jumping Spiders Are Cute: i dont care

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Speaking to Moe about E2's that actually dupe props:

[12:04:02 AM] | (Mild Bobby Sauce) Moe: it's converting actual props into physicsless holograms that aren't saveable
[12:04:23 AM] | iD4NG3R`: Oh I have written ones that do Moe, but those don't actually spawn holos
[12:04:28 AM] | iD4NG3R`: They write directly to a textfile
(FYI I've used these in the past to make a holographic version of something that was propheavy, I despise dupes that someone didn't make themselves.)

Again with the lovely jump to a conclusion:

[12:04:41 AM] | (Mechwarrior) Jumping Spiders Are Cute: therefor you did just copy it. 
[12:04:49 AM] | iD4NG3R`: >He talked about it
[12:04:51 AM] | iD4NG3R`: >Therefor he did it
[12:04:53 AM] | iD4NG3R`: Bruh..

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TL;DR Moe and I were screwing around with each other with a hologram resizing chip and I thought it was a funny idea to make a 1:20th scale version of his mech legs (which Moe called 'Chicken legs', hence making a small version seemed funny) using the following E2:

Code:

@name Magic
@inputs
@outputs
@persist Find:array Scale:number
@trigger

interval(25)

if(first()){
Scale = 0.05
findExcludeClass("player")
findExcludeClass("weapon_")
findExcludeClass("tool_")
findInSphere(entity():pos(),100)
findSortByDistance(entity():pos())
Find = findToArray()

}

if(Find:count() > holoRemainingSpawns()){
Find:remove(Find:count())
} elseif (Find:count() > 0){


holoCreate(Find:count())
holoModel(Find:count(),Find[Find:count(),entity]:model())
holoPos(Find:count(),entity():toWorld((Find[Find:count(),entity]:pos() - entity():pos())*Scale))
holoScale(Find:count(),vec(Scale,Scale,Scale))
holoAng(Find:count(),Find[Find:count(),entity]:angles())
holoParent(Find:count(),entity())
Find:remove(Find:count())

}

If you are that paranoid about people stealing your creations you should probably not be playing on a multiplayer server that has E2 enabled. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Jumping Spiders Are Cute]

and im supposed to just trust that you and other people arent going to use an e2 to save and later bring to other servers to claim as your own? you could just ask for permission. granted i would have said no anyway considering ImChris did it earlier, but can you give me any reason you should be doing it without permission? 

[iD4NG3R`]

and im supposed to just trust that you and other people arent going to use an e2 to save and later bring to other servers to claim as your own?

Yes. What reason do I have to dupe static props? I hardly ever play Gmod these days and on the rare occasion that I do I play TTT with friends or experiment around with E2 on IJWTB.

you could just ask for permission.

For using E2? I think you already know my answer. 

granted i would have said no anyway considering ImChris did it earlier, but can you give me any reason you should be doing it without permission? 

Why? Because. That's the fun thing about writing software (and one of the main reasons I became a software engineer), screwing around and seeing what possibilities there are.

Don't get me wrong, I get why you are mad and I get that people have their preassumptions about shit like this but that's no reason to actually assume that everyone tries to dupe whatever you made. 

Again:

If you are that paranoid about people stealing your creations you should probably not be playing on a multiplayer server that has E2 enabled.

[Banjo Jones]

Neutral
Im on Jumping Spider's side, though, only evidence that is shown is chris' copying your tank, lets see what the others think, eh?
-EDIT-
+Support
After seeing what heavy said, they should be punished, and i think a warning or a temp ban (a day might be suitible.) might be the best.
 

 

[heavyweapons]

As harmless as it may seem this e2 can be used to bypass prop protection and its not right to scare people like that. I had my APC "holo'd" 3 times and its a scary sight. Im on Spider's side, They need to stop not ban but just stop with it.

[Dragonborn the Wolf]

Honestly, if I was them, I would ask before duping someone's build that they spent lots of time on using a E2

+2 Support

Of course the damage is done and there isn't much to do about it, but still

 

[Jumping Spiders Are Cute]

enough people know that i dont make a forum request about something unless it is bugging me to the extreme. 

i request the abusers be banned from e2 for an amount of time. theyve done it MANY TIMES without asking permission, and continue to do so even after having been asked to stop. ive had this conflict with certain people so many times that i had to ask thomas to come to the server and ask them to stop. ive been here long enough to know that thomas rarely ever has time to come to the server, and i didnt want him to waste his time doing something like that, but i thought that was the end of it. 

apparently not, especially considering it would require a staff member to tell them to stop, and that is reason alone to skip the warning. 

[Tw21]

To be honest, the whole point of this post was that he had asked you to stop, iD4NG3R, but it sounds like you continued. I'm almost certain 90% of the community would not be ok with someone unexpectedly duping their props without their permission. Even if it is in holo form. I had spoken to a super admin months ago regarding this issue when another player had done the same thing, as to how to handle the situation when I was admin at the time. I don't remember if it was Conky or Mr. Taco, but they said that it is not ok for someone to be doing that UNLESS they are given explicit permission to do so.

Yes. What reason do I have to dupe static props? I hardly ever play Gmod these days and on the rare occasion that I do I play TTT with friends or experiment around with E2 on IJWTB.





 

This doesn't give you the excuse to holo dupe players' props.

For using E2? I think you already know my answer. 





 

You know damn well he wasn't telling you to ask for permission to use E2. He was telling you to ask for permission to holo dupe players' props. If a player doesn't want you to dupe their props, no matter the means, then you should end it at that. You obviously will notice a pattern when more than one player complains about the same thing, in which case you would stop altogether.

If you are that paranoid about people stealing your creations you should probably not be playing on a multiplayer server that has E2 enabled. 





 

He isn't paranoid about people stealing his creations. He shouldn't have to worry about it is the problem.

If you really think that you are this entitled to just holodupe players' creations, you are sadly mistaken and should probably find another server that is ok with it. The fact of the matter is, you can ask players to holodupe their things. 

The other problem. E2 does have prop creation, so you can bypass Aegis COMPLETELY and dupe players' props. This was another problem we had found out when another player had used an E2 duplicator and spawned someone elses' thing as their own. They have since been punished over the matter. My suggestion. Stop while you are ahead.

I am fully on board with Jumping Spiders. This is unacceptable, and it does break the one rule no one seems to understand. "Use common sense."

 

 

 

 

 

[iD4NG3R`]

To be honest, the whole point of this post was that he had asked you to stop, iD4NG3R, but it sounds like you continued.

The only reason I even responded is because I've had it with ignorant players that utterly refuse to listen when they think something happened to them. Do you think I can take someone seriously after actually using the forums as a threat? First saying I did it once and then claiming I did it multiple times to him? Not being able to keep his own promises? (Hint; He's been banned for that before) Responding like this when explaining what happened?

[12:01:18 AM] | (Mechwarrior) Jumping Spiders Are Cute: i dont care

I like how you call me the entitled one. :') 

I am fully on board with Jumping Spiders. This is unacceptable, and it does break the one rule no one seems to understand. "Use common sense."

Don't bother with the common sense scapegoat. Anything can be thrown under there as soon as people disagree or when it is even the slightest bit controversial.

 

 

 

 

[Dragonborn the Wolf]

iD4NG3R, complaining about this isn't really going in your favor right now

You know its wrong to dupe other people's stuff without permission, with E2 or not

[iD4NG3R`]

I don't think I disagreed that duping without permission is wrong..? The fact is that I'm not. 

duplicate
verb 
gerund or present participle: 
duplicatingˈ djuːplɪkeɪt/

1. make or be an exact copy of.
   

You're telling me that a 1:20th scale version of something is a duplication? A 1:20th version that is massless/propless/physicsless and was gone after 5 seconds never to appear again?

He asked me to stop, I didn't do it again but he started to bitch at me. I wouldn't have made a problem out of this if he didn't. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tw21]

You don't seem to get it. If nobody is ok with it, don't use it. Why are you making it so difficult. I'm not saying anyone should be banned but I take my case back to my red sentence. E2 has a prop creator function which bypasses prop protection. All you need to do is duplicate it, and later spawn it as your own props. Not saying that this is the particular case, but if more than one player complains of using a holo duplicator, there's a trend that needs to stop.

 

[Jumping Spiders Are Cute]

all you had to do was "oh, sorry, i will ask for permission next time" and then ask for permission, and only do it when given permission. if it is so hard for you to ask permission for something like that, maybe you should go find a different server. 

it might not look like much, but when you do that, you are copying something that someone spent significantly more time and effort to make than it took you to copy it, props, positions, angles, materials and color. just because it doesnt copy the functionality does not give you the right to take someones model without their permission. 

for example, that mech you copied is at the moment just a model, it has no functionality for you to copy, and thusly, you copied the whole thing in its entirety. 

if you were to do it with my flying house thing, all youd have to do is convert it to props, apply the ropes, parent it correctly(which although is a very tedious task) and then put a few thrusters on the base plate and you would have it as if you duped it with a dupe tool. 

you might not think of it as fully duping someones stuff, but there are lots of people who actually spend more time modeling than making something function. in fact, for some, making something function correctly is easy compared to modeling it, like heavyweapons. you might not think his tank looked like much, but he still spent time, effort and a good consideration of imagination on it. when you take the model, you are skipping that. if you made the exact thing all by hand the same way he did, i dont think hed care, in fact he would probably appreciate someone else having the same taste in design. 

if you had done it to my floating house or treehouse, i would be furious, because the treehouse is literally nothing but a static model that ive spent literal years working on. the flying house is not much different. functionality is easy. the model is not.

i wouldnt give that to anyone unless i was sure they were only making the functionality better, and even then they would have to be a very good friend. 

unless copying people's stuff without their permission is the only thing you do with e2, you cannot seriously mean "For using E2? I think you already know my answer. ", no matter how basic and common the function is. 

in terms of trust, sure, i dont fear that you would do something malicious with it, but you might. and whats the harm in asking for permission? is there anything wrong at all about asking for permission?

[TIMMEH]

If you don't like 1 consequence of a whole thing then forgo the whole thing.

Easily a very very retarded argument to make. Maybe we should look past tossing fingers waving hands and such and get down to the barebones fact of the matter. Whether or not player A did this to player B is not the point. The point of the matter is that it can be done at all.

When an exploit is possible the idea of waiting until someone exploits it to finally fix it is dumb and I'm sure we can all agree. 

[DTQCoates]

While I do agree using E2 to clone another players creation isn't right, you have to also realize that you're a donor Jumping Spiders, and not only that but it's not that serious of an offense. Next time just use the voteban or contact a staff member if available. I don't agree with banning them from the server, even for a single day. A warning would suffice.

[s0mmer]

I'm with Coates on this one. I don't think they should be banned/minged. A warning should be enough. As for the people using that E2, you should ask before using someone's contraption as a test subject - and this goes for anything else, whatever you want to do with other's props, ask them first.

[🌙 Keir of the Night 🌙]

Closed.
Denied.

Though this thread is 2 months old, keep in mind that if you're going to post a punishment request that you follow the given format. Otherwise, please post in the approperiate subforum.

On topic: Even though the actions seemed malicious, the "offenders" shown that there was no ill intent and that they were simply messing around, as many players often do on a regular basis. As per my personal experience with 2 of these players (Bonus Duck and ImChris), I know their intentions are not bad intentions. iD4NG3R` has already posted his intentions here in this thread.

FOR EVERYONE: If this happens to you, ask the player(s) nicely not to do what they are doing and have patience - you do not have to start an argument that may ultimately lead to malicious actions. If they persist, make sure you have screenshots, witnesses and chatlogs readily available to be posted in a punishment request.

(sorry for the late response/inaction)