Dedicated Players & Mic-Spam

[Sputnik]

Your Steam Name: Sputnik
Your Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:53344407

-Abuser's Information-
Abuser's Steam Name: 
#1 Queen Nora
#2 SnowyWhalez
#3 Ozen
Abuser's Steam ID:
#1 STEAM_0:0:41777583
#2 STEAM_0:1:447812665
#3 STEAM_0:0:92235521


-Player Interview-
What did the other player(s) do that constitutes as mingey behavior:

I will preface this report by stating a possible contention, I understand that these are dedicated players in many facets - one facet being playtime (donators as well?). I can understand why little to no actions will be taken against these players, but what I can't understand is their disregard to the server rules? Do rules apply to these players, or are they free of any?

I would also like to clear out another possible contention being the misconception of mic-spam. From what I've gathered !motd Rule 3 states "Please refrain spamming of any kind", this comprehensively states how broad the rule is - it applies to spamming of any kind. A player told me that the owner "doesn't mind this", but at the time I cannot take this players word because he seemed to be a troll. 

My experience being an anecdote will not provide sufficient evidence for a possible review.
There's a massive possibility this thread will be invalidated by these people (or more) by just stating this is not true, again I understand that this is an anecdote.

I will explain the situation itself in basic terms because it's extremely nuanced.

I suspect a player by the name of Ozen of spamming some sort of an E2 contraption that spams very derogatory racist (Rule 7) phrases (I'm sure some of you have heard this before), it is very loud and incredibly racist (As a new player I know of no ways to mute this). Ozen was the only one not building and messing around at the time, but I will not elaborate on this because I have no proof to suffice. But it has stopped after telling Ozen I suspect it might be him. A moment passes till Ozen himself begins mic-spamming, now this makes it clear that his intentions are bad. So this goes on for a bit, I'm not sure when the I complained about the mic-spam but this contention went on for quite a bit and so did the mic spam - it got worse. SnowWhalez joins the conversation I believe to invalidate everything I've said because "The owner told me mic-spam is allowed", but there was no owner on for me to ask at the time, for all I know he could be trolling. I tried to be very eloquent when explaining to this mic-spammer that he's possibly(If not clearly) breaking Rule 3 (Please refrain from spamming of any kind).

During the argument I remained very respectful and adequate in terms of the server rules. 

Ozen at one point suggested getting his "friends" in-order to get the vote ban acted on me, even though there was a large number of players at the time. SnowWhalez as well suggests to get me banned, he's accusing me of disrespect when I have been as nice as possible even though I swear a lot - because I know if I've shown disrespect this will be used against me, SnowWhalez has disrespected me on many occasions even though my argument was clear and respectful, the rules are not mean't to be broken and everyone is liable. I made it clear to SnowWhalez that complaining about a player minging and breaking the rules is not a form of disrespect but a power every player should utilize. But clearly they believe that these rules do not apply to themselves - though they wholly disrespected me directly and indirectly, with my complaints being apparent, Ozen worsens the Mic-Spam to intentionally and wholly annoy me, I believe there after Queen Nora joins and is overwhelmed by the ongoing contention, at that point (when I'm staying completely respectful) I'm accused of being a "dick" and "no one cares" and therefore a voteban was initiated. 

I was banned for "was as many times to stop but keep going on and being dick"[1]. These players believed that mic-spam was the only exception the rules, yet they ban me for Mic-Spam I would think, told "many times to stop but keep going". A few derogatory terms may have slipped such as "This is not how it fucking works" but I do not mean it with any evil intent and not directed to any player, I was insanely frustrated with how these dedicated members behaved, untouchable, always right, better than you. Shouldn't they be upholding the rules as dedicated members of a community? Why was I the only one caring about such rules existing. They've also stated that you can just "mute", though, why didn't these players just mute me? They seem to be fine with a player mic-spamming and when I complain I'm told to just mute, but they can't do the same?

I've met many great people in this community, I've had countless positive experiences with players, great conversations, one being Mono-Si Engineering and others. Today was just disgusting, I'm hoping there's something that can be done about this. I might have come off as mean, but my intentions were wholly good.

But back to reality, I understand the possible outcomes. 
1. I could be the one punished for this.
2. Rule 3 is clarified.
3. I'm told to fuck off.
4. Players I've accused could
potentially be talked with.
5. Punishments given out.

What were you doing on the server?
Trying to learn E2, I learned the basics! 



Did anyone else witness this incident, and if yes, who:

I believe a few, I can't recall who, though I wouldn't blame them for not siding with me, after all I'm just a new player noob.

-Evidence-
https://i.imgur.com/E668TMM.png

https://i.imgur.com/T5aEAfv.png

https://i.imgur.com/nO4MGc4.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ageP6ci.png <<<
https://i.imgur.com/ZWtgycO.png <<<
https://i.imgur.com/6BtLITz.png <<<<
Meme Boi spamming: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments...nknown.png

-Extras-
Unfortunately, there are people who will see my post like this. https://i.imgur.com/BBHnrh6.png

Thank you everyone for your time, and thank you Thomas for making one of the few exceptional sandbox servers.

[Xandertron]

"I suspect a player by the name of Ozen of spamming some sort of an E2 contraption that spams very derogatory racist (Rule 7) phrases"
yep zuki had that spawned eariler on master trololol, you could find who's doing it using streamcore_list unless if its pac

what a lovely little piece from darken
Darken STEAM_0:1:33384805: bro ozen we should stop pac and music
Darken STEAM_0:1:33384805: its obviously against rules
before i was neutral, now im +supportive

mic spam is generally allowed because you can mute them

edit: https://discordapp.com/channels/29238315...1655288832 for what darken said

[Bero]

I didn't spawn an e2 that had steamcore like this. idk what your going on about but I was just micspamming, Jesus dude relax.

[The Bowling]

--support 
This boils down to "Here's a thing that I don't have any proof of. Also, he votebanned me for a sketchy reason."

[Darken]

--support  bro, when i said, quote "Darken STEAM_0:1:33384805: bro ozen we should stop pac and music Darken STEAM_0:1:33384805: its obviously against rules." Its a little something called sarcasm because people always complain to us about fucking PAC or our loud music. I get tired of people being like "OH MY GOD YOUR PAC IS LAGGING ME" or "OH MY GOD YOUR MUSIC IS TOO LOUD/DUMB" like seriously grow up.

[Sputnik]

--support 
This boils down to "Here's a thing that I don't have any proof of. Also, he votebanned me for a sketchy reason."

Unfortunately shadowplay was not on at the time. But yes you are correct, I've stated multiple times that this is an anecdote, best I can do is advertise this behavior / putting it on the hot seat. There will be negative back lash because of this and I understand, but hopefully players will testify. Though I generally don't expect anything to happen, it'll just go ignored and I understand, if this is the community the players wanted there's not much to do.

Appreciate your input

[Myra]

Queen Nora and SnowyWhalez were voicing their opinions; is that not allowed? It seems like Ozen is the main target of this post, and an image of being votebanned is not proof that he was behind anything happening; as Mono has stated. As well, bringing SnowyWhales and Queen Nora into this because they voiced their precious opinions seems very redundant; you may as well just banned everyone on the server who voted against you that day.
-support

[Sputnik]

--support  bro, when i said, quote "Darken STEAM_0:1:33384805: bro ozen we should stop pac and music Darken STEAM_0:1:33384805: its obviously against rules." Its a little something called sarcasm because people always complain to us about fucking PAC or our loud music. I get tired of people being like "OH MY GOD YOUR PAC IS LAGGING ME" or "OH MY GOD YOUR MUSIC IS TOO LOUD/DUMB" like seriously grow up. 

Never thought how this behavior is incredibly toxic? Never stopped to think that these people might actually genuinely be annoyed?

[PupKindOf]

Note that i was not here for the event and im trying to figure out what happened from both parties.

From what i hear in this post is that you were trying to figure out how to use E2 but ozen was mic spamming and saying racial slurs, but when i questioned Ozen about the scenario he said he was just playing light music over the microphone.  From what i know about the scenario is Ozen is completely in the right in the situation, because i've known Ozen for 3 years and he has never said racial slurs.  Also mic spamming is completely aloud if it isn't targeting a player, by all the shit ive seen in this community this is false and the most retarded thing i've ever seen.

- - Support

[Logzombie]

From my knowledge, which I tried to clarify over Build 1's chat, Micspamming on the server is allowed. It was never punished before, and most people try to voteban unjustly over it a majority of the time. It has to be commonly corrected. 

That and people shouldn't complain about Micspamming when there's an easy preventitive, because The Mute Button exists. Shocker, I know. There should likely be no punishment for this part, as I myself have micspammed in the proximity of other admins, and if anything, they joined in.

Whatever the E2 complaint is can be justified however. That is if there's enough evidence to back it up, considering I wasn't there at the time, all I had were chat logs.
But at the same time, I saw multiple complaints of YOU prop pushing another user shortly before this event occurred. Frankly this discourages me slightly from supporting this at first glance:
https://puu.sh/DJLAf.png
https://puu.sh/DJLAd.png
https://puu.sh/DJLB6.png
https://puu.sh/DJLGY.png
Has anyone been witness to these actions so far? And can maybe give some clarification on what the hell was going on at the time? Because at first glance, not only were the complaints about something you could easily prevent by muting a player (It's not rocket science), but it also sounded like you were involved in some rule breaking yourself. Can someone care to clarify on this so I may get some further context before I even consider anything? Thank you.

[Rappy]

I mean I don't see any proof so I don't see why he should be banned because I'm sure he said that it was small mic spam so all you had to do was mute him or just leave the server.

--Support

[Sputnik]

Queen Nora and SnowyWhalez were voicing their opinions; is that not allowed? It seems like Ozen is the main target of this post, and an image of being votebanned is not proof that he was behind anything happening; as Mono has stated. As well, bringing SnowyWhales and Queen Nora into this because they voiced their precious opinions seems very redundant; you may as well just banned everyone on the server who voted against you that day.
-support

Queen Nora initiated the vote-ban so I would say they played the biggest role here. I don't blame anyone for voting though I believe it was those 3-4 people, not quite certain. 
Does my opinion not matter? The whole point of this thread is the authority these members hold, does their rank omit them from abiding rules? Nora brought themselves into this by voicing their opinions. Though I have not broken any rules, I was carelessly banned from the server. Where are their consequences for disrespecting? What about SnowyWhalez attempt at banning me for pure censorship?


SnowyWhales has threatened to ban me on more than one occasions for no reason. Sure, he says disrespect purely because I was labeling Ozen as a rulebreaker, but he backed off and reconsidered his actions once I explained my position to him, that voicing your opinion about a rulebreaker is not a matter of disrespect, but a player's responsibility (or should be) and reverted to just muting me, then unmuting me.. 

As I stated multiple times, this thread is pure anecdote, a recognition of this behavior would suffice.

My experience with this nuisance would have never happened if Ozen abides by the rules.

[Sputnik]

I mean I don't see any proof so I don't see why he should be banned because I'm sure he said that it was small mic spam so all you had to do was mute him or just leave the server.

--Support

Again, I've stated multiple times there is no proof read the above replies. It was no small mic spam by any means. I never said I wanted anyone banned. I could have muted this player, though, his friend joined and spammed as well. 

As a member of this community I believe there's a duty to be done not just by staff members but players themselves, this community is built on all of us.

[Sputnik]

From my knowledge, which I tried to clarify over Build 1's chat, Micspamming on the server is allowed. It was never punished before, and most people try to voteban unjustly over it a majority of the time. It has to be commonly corrected. 

That and people shouldn't complain about Micspamming when there's an easy preventitive, because The Mute Button exists. Shocker, I know. There should likely be no punishment for this part, as I myself have micspammed in the proximity of other admins, and if anything, they joined in.

Whatever the E2 complaint is can be justified however. That is if there's enough evidence to back it up, considering I wasn't there at the time, all I had were chat logs.
But at the same time, I saw multiple complaints of YOU prop pushing another user shortly before this event occurred. Frankly this discourages me slightly from supporting this at first glance:
https://puu.sh/DJLAf.pnghttps://puu.sh/DJLAd.pnghttps://puu.sh/DJLB6.pnghttps://puu.sh/DJLGY.png
Has anyone been witness to these actions so far? And can maybe give some clarification on what the hell was going on at the time? Because at first glance, not only were the complaints about something you could easily prevent by muting a player (It's not rocket science), but it also sounded like you were involved in some rule breaking yourself. Can someone care to clarify on this so I may get some further context before I even consider anything? Thank you.

Appreciate this I'm curious as to where I can get the logs because the same guy complained about the mic spam.

Yes I built a crane with a wrecking ball (pretty cool) which swings by itself. I have not prop pushed the player (Though this may be prop pushing?) The player places a huge building to destroy with his really loud ACF, I simply put my huge crane near him and the wrecking ball might swing and hit the large destructible building. If this was prop push I take responsibility for this.
I've had a positive pseudo-philosophical conversation with Mono, and I believe it's done something good.

But, though I might be banned for everything I've said and possibly further accusations, I just wanted to make the behavior of these 'dedicated' members apparent to the community, but everyone seems to be fine with this behavior, I understand.

[PupKindOf]

I mean I don't see any proof so I don't see why he should be banned because I'm sure he said that it was small mic spam so all you had to do was mute him or just leave the server.

--Support

Again, I've stated multiple times there is no proof read the above quotes. It was no small mic spam by any means. I never said I wanted anyone banned. I could have muted this player, though, his friend joined and spammed as well. 

As a member of this community I believe there's a duty to be done not just by staff members but players themselves, this community is built on all of us. 

Again THE MUTE BUTTON EXISTS, you played yourself.

[Sputnik]

Note that i was not here for the event and im trying to figure out what happened from both parties.

From what i hear in this post is that you were trying to figure out how to use E2 but ozen was mic spamming and saying racial slurs, but when i questioned Ozen about the scenario he said he was just playing light music over the microphone.  From what i know about the scenario is Ozen is completely in the right in the situation, because i've known Ozen for 3 years and he has never said racial slurs.  Also mic spamming is completely aloud if it isn't targeting a player, by all the shit ive seen in this community this is false and the most retarded thing i've ever seen.


- - Support

You have a broad misconception of my report but that's alright. 
I've never accused Ozen of saying racial slurs but spamming an SFX that includes these phrases, it might be him based on suspicion not concrete evidence, but based on his intent to mic-spam to annoy people - his intent seems to be nuisance, no one else was doing that at the time.

Appreciate your input as well

[Sputnik]

Again, I've stated multiple times there is no proof read the above quotes. It was no small mic spam by any means. I never said I wanted anyone banned. I could have muted this player, though, his friend joined and spammed as well. 

As a member of this community I believe there's a duty to be done not just by staff members but players themselves, this community is built on all of us. 

Again THE MUTE BUTTON EXISTS, you played yourself.   

Again, with the current rules I'm concrete that mic-spam isn't allowed. Can any player get away with breaking any rule by saying the owner told him it's alright? Please read my replies I try to put some thought and effort into them, I was more so annoyed by his behavior combined with the mic spam. Why's it normal to apply nuisance on other players as a dedicated member?

It is highly possible that the owner is fine with the mic spam, but like I've said multiple times, there was no owner on to ask at the time, there were only the server rules !motd that I took the time to read.

[PupKindOf]

Again THE MUTE BUTTON EXISTS, you played yourself.   

Again, with the current rules I'm concrete that mic-spam isn't allowed. Can any player get away with breaking any rule by saying the owner told him it's alright? Please read my replies I try to put some thought and effort into them, I was more so annoyed by his behavior combined with the mic spam. Why's it normal to apply nuisance on other players as a dedicated member?

It is highly possible that the owner is fine with the mic spam, but like I've said multiple times, there was no owner on to ask at the time, there were only the server rules !motd that I took the time to read.  

Ok to your first reply "I suspect a player by the name of Ozen of spamming some sort of an E2 contraption that spams very derogatory racist (Rule 7) phrases" you did acuse him. 

And for your reply to me: you are not a dedicated member by Logzombie saying that you prop pushed like moments later, and your points have no ground to stand on.

[Bero]

[Sputnik]

Again, with the current rules I'm concrete that mic-spam isn't allowed. Can any player get away with breaking any rule by saying the owner told him it's alright? Please read my replies I try to put some thought and effort into them, I was more so annoyed by his behavior combined with the mic spam. Why's it normal to apply nuisance on other players as a dedicated member?

It is highly possible that the owner is fine with the mic spam, but like I've said multiple times, there was no owner on to ask at the time, there were only the server rules !motd that I took the time to read.  

Ok to your first reply "I suspect a player by the name of Ozen of spamming some sort of an E2 contraption that spams very derogatory racist (Rule 7) phrases" you did acuse him. 

And for your reply to me: you are not a dedicated member by Logzombie saying that you prop pushed like moments later, and your points have no ground to stand on.  

Please read the reply I made for Logzombie. 

Suspecting and accusing are both wholly different. 

No. I'm not a dedicated member by any means, in terms of playtime forum activity. 
But I consider my attitude on rulebreakers & abiding by server rules to be a form of dedication. 
If what I did is considered prop pushing then I concede to this ofcourse and I'm more than willing to get a temp ban for this, but the problem is that other players of certain ranks do not receive these same punishments for a worse act of nuisance. My goal here is to have this sort of behavior recognized. 
It doesn't matter if I was a minge my self.
It doesn't matter if I was a dick. 
What matters are the rules, and if many people are an exception to those rules, then what's the point of rules? There's this sort of gang-mob mentality and I understand why that might be, everyone knows each other - where people who aren't affected by the rules can bully those who need to be abiding by them.
Regards.

This is what I'm referring to. https://i.imgur.com/BBHnrh6.png

As I've stated, my intent is not to get anyone banned. I've said this multiple times. I consider my intent to be good for the sake of the community.

[Bero]

Speaking of your post. you were not calm in this you lost your shit, idk what the fuck was up but all I did was micspam.

[PupKindOf]

Ok to your first reply "I suspect a player by the name of Ozen of spamming some sort of an E2 contraption that spams very derogatory racist (Rule 7) phrases" you did acuse him. 

And for your reply to me: you are not a dedicated member by Logzombie saying that you prop pushed like moments later, and your points have no ground to stand on. 

Please read the reply I made for Logzombie. 

Suspecting and accusing are both wholly different. 

No. I'm not a dedicated member by any means, in terms of playtime forum activity. 
But I consider my attitude on rulebreakers & abiding by server rules to be a form of dedication. 
If what I did is considered prop pushing then I concede to this ofcourse and I'm more than willing to get a temp ban for this, but the problem is that other players of certain ranks do not receive these same punishments for a worse act of nuisance. My goal here is to have this sort of behavior recognized. 
It doesn't matter if I was a minge my self.
It doesn't matter if I was a dick. 
What matters are the rules, and if many people are an exception to those rules, then what's the point of rules? There's this sort of gang-mob mentality and I understand why that might be, everyone knows each other - where people who aren't affected by the rules can bully those who need to be abiding by them.
Regards. 

Just stop please your not going to win, might as well stop now.

[Sputnik]

Speaking of your post. you were not calm in this you lost your shit, idk what the fuck was up but all I did was micspam.

I have my frustrations and my imperfections, but trust me, this only happens when I'm arguing with 3-4 different people. I kept it really respectful, though I cannot say the same for you all.

[Sputnik]

Please read the reply I made for Logzombie. 

Suspecting and accusing are both wholly different. 

No. I'm not a dedicated member by any means, in terms of playtime forum activity. 
But I consider my attitude on rulebreakers & abiding by server rules to be a form of dedication. 
If what I did is considered prop pushing then I concede to this ofcourse and I'm more than willing to get a temp ban for this, but the problem is that other players of certain ranks do not receive these same punishments for a worse act of nuisance. My goal here is to have this sort of behavior recognized. 
It doesn't matter if I was a minge my self.
It doesn't matter if I was a dick. 
What matters are the rules, and if many people are an exception to those rules, then what's the point of rules? There's this sort of gang-mob mentality and I understand why that might be, everyone knows each other - where people who aren't affected by the rules can bully those who need to be abiding by them.
Regards. 

Just stop please your not going to win, might as well stop now. 

There is no win or lose in this. My goal is not to win, there is nothing to win, this is less of a competition and more of my duty as a member of this community, disagree or agree this behavior is very common and ongoing. This is the best I can do for a community I just joined, help shine a light on those with the aggressive and toxic behaviors.

[Morphist]

--support

Theres this wonderful thing called the