Potential rule against degeneracy

[doorknob]

A problem I've been witnessing a little too much while playing on ijwtb servers is that certain individuals decide to involve people in the server with virtual sexual or partially sexual activities sometimes without their input. I've seen this as a major problem and decided to finally address it as I have honestly had enough of it, me and many others are sick of having to almost constantly be around people we're uncomfortable with. One of the major reasons this is a problem is because of the risk of an underage individual being exposed to sexual activities or subjects, another is that I've seen several cases of degenerates attempting to turn other people to degeneracy, with most of the attempts partially or mostly working. I feel that creating a rule against degeneracy would make ijwtb servers more safe and welcoming.

[Rankinjra]

++support this has been so annoying, this server is not for ERP, its for building and hanging out with friends, these guys are also half the reason I've not been playing on here as much.

[Abridged Mangoes]

+Support, this can get very annoying and irritating, it would be nice to decrease/stop it all.
-Support, Like everyone said, it isn't our fault.

[Octo]

++support, this is a build server with kids on it, not Second Life. There should be no sexually suggestive activity here.

[Abridged Mangoes]

++support, this is a build server with kids on it, not Second Life. There should be no sexually suggestive activity here.

Agreed

[Kolaĵo]

++support thinking back to british-man-who-must-not-be-named, let's not have that happen again

--support was thinking this thread was in response to an actual situation to be addressed, but so far all i've actually seen for its support is either irrelevant, outside this server's scope, or completely frivolous in general

[Gamuel S.]

Pac has an NSFW thing I believe, which would be nice for people to require it to be used if it was to be written as a rule. As to say "No horny" on an online server, well, that probably wouldn't work. People on the internet are horny, and ragdolls in certain positions being created, flying penis-shaped rocket ships. We could enforce that, but I don't see it panning out well in the long run, as many things are stated can be skewed as sexual, or non-sexual. As for predators, it's against the law, and the server is not its own country. Your country's laws are what should be followed as well.

[Rankinjra]

similar things can probably be said about minges

[VCSoldier]

+support

but it should only apply to 1 the most, 2 relaxed a bit, and 3 is at the point where its the persons fault, since 1 can be accessed by anyone then it makes sense
2 should have the same rule but relaxed a bit, thomas can decide on how relaxed
if your under 16 and your on 3, at that point your at the fault you played on the server enough to get to 3 and your only risking yourself

[Tw21]

Pac has an NSFW thing I believe, which would be nice for people to require it to be used if it was to be written as a rule. As to say "No horny" on an online server, well, that probably wouldn't work. People on the internet are horny, and ragdolls in certain positions being created, flying penis-shaped rocket ships. We could enforce that, but I don't see it panning out well in the long run, as many things are stated can be skewed as sexual, or non-sexual. As for predators, it's against the law, and the server is not its own country. Your country's laws are what should be followed as well.

I think the point here is the extremely suggestive. Flying penises and ragdolls in suggestive poses are more of a gag than explicit really, at least in my eyes. The problem comes from the PACs that are suggestive to begin with. As Kolajo mentioned, a couple people already come to mind when I see this thread. I'll keep their names withheld for privacy reasons. However the few I'm thinking of have extremely provocative PACs that are just blatantly sexual in nature. I would go into detail, but trying to keep it somewhat decent. Let's just say it has bodily fluids involved. 

Really, the only implementation of removing this content is just by making it a bannable offense. Either through punishment requests, or just needing an admin on who can directly witness and ban the offender. 

However GMod is technically not age rated; it has a wide variety of age groups playing this game, and due to the creativeness of a lot of content creators on this game, there's bound to be   t o n s   of pornographic content that can be had on it. It really all delves down into making it a server rule and keeping a watchful eye out for people who offend it.

++Support

[Gamuel S.]

Yes, Sexual pacs containing very sexual content shouldn't be allowed, which is why I agree that it should be prohibited to be viewable on the server, especially because there are kids. I agree it should be a rule. ++ Support. No NSFW Pacs. I want to know if the whole NSFW tagged pac thing works or not. And porn being easily visible like media players should not be tolerated.

[A fuzzy plant]

What happened?

[Awmax]

NSFW material, especially some pac users who shall not be named, have been around for a long time. It'd be nice to see this kind of thing decrease - even if it causes some people to leave. That being said, I think care should be taken when/if this rule gets implemented as gags like flying hoverball dicks aren't really the issue. This is prohibited as part of common sense already, but we should also deter grooming and the like given that a majority of the player-base is underage. It's more than creepy (and annoying) when players get real into the sex thing with other players. We don't need that here. Not to say we should start banning people the second they say anything like that, but it can get extreme.
+Support

[ClockEFFX]

how do you decide what falls under "degeneracy"?
are we going to stop people from making gore-y stuff for halloween because its not "wholesome"?
or stop furry stuff cause its "degenerate"?
something thats lliterally against the law (pedophilia) shouldnt have to be specified as a rule
this should fall under rule 8: common sense

[dagnab]

++support, kids go here

[Mrtwister]

-support The term Degeneracy is vague. What I would say would be a rule against ERPing or other similar types of things.

[A fuzzy plant]

honestly I'll have to agree with Clock on this one because I just don't really know what to say here

[Geemar The Eternal]

- - support this is only going to be abused as an excuse for vote-banning people flying around penis shaped objects, public ragdoll sex dupes, and other harmless things. Truely degenerate stuff is not that common and does not need another rule added to be dealt with. If someone's harrassing you with a degenerate build or something contact an admin or make a forum post.

[Tw21]

I really wanted to keep it PG, but here goes. I really do not have a problem with gore/nudity. Obviously this isn't meant to be taken in such a broad topic where we can ban someone for making a harmless floating penis that has no purpose other than to be annoying. The main picture here is those who will openly post porn using screens or who make these PACs with hyper realistic penises that can ejaculate. Imagine you're minding your business and building what have you and someone just walks up to you with a PAC of a naked model with a dick capable of ejaculating. Now imagine that scenario where you are a younger kid and have no idea what's happening and why your parents are screaming at you for playing such a game when you didn't even do anything wrong.

Childish acts like prop penises are one thing, actually taking the time to make this fully rendered model with a penis capable of ejaculating is just something a lot of people don't want to see.

[Jim]

-support The Steam Subscriber Agreement has stated Valve Software/Steam is not for people less than 13+. Taking into consideration it's most likely the parents/the child's laziness to not read the full agreement or the parent does not watch them. PAC has the NSFW option which does work and people are allowed to have an opinion on what they're allowed to make, this rule is an over-exaggerated version of the common-sense rule. The biggest reason why I don't agree with this is how vague it is, this could include dark humor, building tanks which are from Germany WW2 and etc.

The Subscriber Agreement. - https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/#:~:text=Steam%20is%20an%20online%20service%20offered%20by%20Valve.&text=Steam%20is%20not%20intended%20for,under%20the%20age%20of%2013.

[Ander]

++support yes

[Logzombie]

-Support

Honestly to me this is just going to get in the way of making jokes. I'm not gonna accept getting falsely banned because I made a joke with a friend who doesn't mind at all and somebody else gets pissy with it albiet not even being involved. It's going to be a shit show to my eyes with people who abuse this rule on pretty damn harmless stuff. For the record I don't advocate this kinda behaviour, just seeing that it can be abused easily for the wrong contexts.

The admins can probably already deal with illegal cases on the server themselves, and have been doing so regarding people who let them know. Predatory acts are punished in general already if persistent. But I ain't happy at the thought of being wrongly punished via voteban or some crap for making a sex joke around someone who doesn't know what a joke is (And there's A LOT of people who take things the wrong way sometimes.)

But this is just me speaking for myself not wanting to get banned for trying to do a funny. This rule is technically already in place, just not stated specifically in detail.

[Kolaĵo]

++support thinking back to british-man-who-must-not-be-named, let's not have that happen again

p.s. i wouldn't look for anything major, just an extra clause to rule 1 at most; it may just be a matter of just bringing attention to this happening and making people more aware of it

[Gronk]

-support

I think more options should be discussed, this is entirely too vague. While rules should be discussed, and or updated, I think it's important to notice everyone playing here *Should* be old enough to legally check the Terms of Service on steam. Even if you want to say that no one follows them anyway, I believe that you should define this more, as mentioned earlier. For example, I could really say anything was inappropriate without any basis behind it, which would lead to a lot of arguments and debates on what classifies "Degeneracy", as there wouldn't be a concrete "set-in-stone" definition so to speak. 

I'm all for discussing the type of rules that should be implemented. And, of course, don't get me wrong because I don't entirely disagree with this, I think it should have more discussion behind it before such a loose rule is set in place. I'll support once more conditions are applied and it isn't so vague.

[Bero]

--support

As some people said steam has a rule on how old you can be to play. It's not our problem if kids play here. What kind of rule is this lmao.