[DENIED] Lertz Minge Appeal

[Lertz]

Information-
Your Steam ID and name: Lertz - STEAM_0:0:29845830
Admin Name: ClockEFFX
Admin Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:34766386
Minge Reason: Using E2 to steal builds
Minge Date: Sep 21, 2021 03:36:35 PM

-Player Interview-
Why should your punishment be lifted, and why should we trust you after what you did? (Please elaborate - minimum effort will negatively affect your appeal):
People assumed i was copying their build when al i did was spawning a hologram replica of them, which in another words, it's no more than a 3d picture, which i guess makes sense to assume it is a copy.
Though i will do it no longer given people can missinterpret it as such, thanks.

-Offender Agreement (mark the boxes to agree)-
I have re-read all of the guidelines (found here) and am willing to follow them once more: [x]

I realize that since I have been minged, the way my punishments are weighted will be different and the punishment of committing another offence will more likely be permanent: [x]

[jim.bootykilla25]

--Support, Yeah nah.

[Vee]

--Support, no

[monke on toilet™]

"using E2 to steal builds"

-support

[Augusté]

gonna need more than 2 sentences to defend yourself against what you did.
--support

[morgan]

-Support

[IGotTheBomb]

People assumed i was copying their build when al i did was spawning a hologram replica of them, which in another words, it's no more than a 3d picture,

Still counts as stealing you fucking clown.
and im pretty sure you can finagle e2 to turn holos to props
--support

[Jenny from H.R]

--support sir this is a Wendy's

[Bero]

--Support
Stealing? Gross. Don't think you've learned.

[Logzombie]

"Minge Date: Sep 21, 2021 03:36:35 PM"

Immediate -Support
Not even a day after committing said offense and already trying to get unminged from attempting to steal someone else's work. No thank you, get out of here.

[Lertz]

Yo guys, I think you misunderstood something, to begin with the reason for being minged is invalid given that the definition of theft is the following:
Theft is defined as the physical removal of an object that is capable of being stolen without the consent of the owner and with the intention of depriving the owner of it permanently.
Which I did not, if anything it could be copying/pirating, which once again, I did not. If anything I took a 3d image and if I could replace the holos with props it would be at most a faulty copy since the welds/whatevs cannot be copied by e2. Though thank you for your time lads.

[Vee]

even trying to copy someones work with a "holomodel" e2 thing isnt allowed here, because we dont know for sure if youve saved it or not, now fuck off and stop trying to be unminged by using dumb excuses.

[Lertz]

even trying to copy someones work with a "holomodel" e2 thing isnt allowed here, because we dont know for sure if youve saved it or not, now fuck off and stop trying to be unminged by using dumb excuses.

Dumb excuses? I was minged for stealing creations which I did not, which it by itself is a reason to be unminged, I mean man, the reason is invalid, and doing a holographic copy isn't against the rules however you interpret the rules.

[Vee]

i dont think you know how easy it is to turn holo's into actual models, and i know for sure that constraint shit is utter bullshit because ive seen people steal cars and spawn them in perfectly on acf servers before

[Lertz]

i dont think you know how easy it is to turn holo's into actual models, and i know for sure that constraint shit is utter bullshit because ive seen people steal cars and spawn them in perfectly on acf servers before

You call it bullshit, I call it ignorance, I didn't know you could do that.... Given I didn't have to knowledge to do it, and I didn't do it, my point is still valid, you are saying that I could do it, which in my defense you could as well, but you weren't minged, were you?

[That One Snep]

In my medical opinion you are very dumb.

Here’s a second opinion.
-Support

[Vee]

" which in my defense you could as well, but you weren't minged, were you?" 

????? what is this even supposed to mean, i never placed an e2 to steal someones work, i said ive SEEN people do it, and not even on this server either. just suck it up and realise you arent gonna be unminged

[Lertz]

" which in my defense you could as well, but you weren't minged, were you?" 

????? what is this even supposed to mean, i never placed an e2 to steal someones work, i said ive SEEN people do it, and not even on this server either. just suck it up and realise you arent gonna be unminged

Neither have I, that's my whole point, that some people have done it doesn't mean that I have, all I had were temporary holographic replicas, if you want proof, add me to friends and I'll share with you the e2.

[Kōfuku]

????? what is this even supposed to mean, i never placed an e2 to steal someones work, i said ive SEEN people do it, and not even on this server either. just suck it up and realise you arent gonna be unminged

Neither have I, that's my whole point, that some people have done it doesn't mean that I have, all I had were temporary holographic replicas, if you want proof, add me to friends and I'll share with you the e2.

--Support You've just admitted that you're keeping the copies of these builds as holos. That's "stealing" in online terms, you dumbass.

[Lertz]

Neither have I, that's my whole point, that some people have done it doesn't mean that I have, all I had were temporary holographic replicas, if you want proof, add me to friends and I'll share with you the e2.

--Support You've just admitted that you're keeping the copies of these builds as holos. That's "stealing" in online terms, you dumbass.

When? Don't you know the meaning of temporary yooooo? ....... Clue, it's the contrary to permanent. Meaning I don't have it saved.... You people are driving me mad, taking your own conclusions without even taking the time to read a whole sentence...

[Gronk]

I don't know if you understand fully, using an e2 to mimic someone's build with holograms is already suspicious even without any bad intent. Saying you didn't "steal" it because it wasn't a physical copy isn't a valid response. You've still "ghosted", "blueprinted", "3D imaging", whatever you call it, an individuals property without their consent. 

Justifying it as a "faulty copy", and saying you can't fully replicate someone's build isn't any comfort to anyone. Even if you can't copy constraints, It doesn't mean you didn't copy the build. I think any builder here could argue, without a shadow of a doubt, that the majority of the time in most builds isn't spent with the constraints, it's the body of the build. 

In the rules, which if you've read you'd know this, it says "Just because it isn't in the rules doesn't give you a right be a minge".

[Lertz]

I don't know if you understand fully, using an e2 to mimic someone's build with holograms is already suspicious even without any bad intent. Saying you didn't "steal" it because it wasn't a physical copy isn't a valid response. You've still "ghosted", "blueprinted", "3D imaging", whatever you call it, an individuals property without their consent. 

Justifying it as a "faulty copy", and saying you can't fully replicate someone's build isn't any comfort to anyone. Even if you can't copy constraints, It doesn't mean you didn't copy the build. I think any builder here could argue, without a shadow of a doubt, that the majority of the time in most builds isn't spent with the constraints, it's the body of the build. 

In the rules, which if you've read you'd know this, it says "Just because it isn't in the rules doesn't give you a right be a minge".

All the same, just because you say it's minge doesn't make it minge, it was an e2 in development which was supposed to analize a contraption (calculate center of mass, integrity, etc.) Tho nobody asked, they just assumed I copied their things and denounced me to an admin whitout ever asking me... Tho whatever, I see it will be a challenge reasoning with you guys.

[Gronk]

I don't know if you understand fully, using an e2 to mimic someone's build with holograms is already suspicious even without any bad intent. Saying you didn't "steal" it because it wasn't a physical copy isn't a valid response. You've still "ghosted", "blueprinted", "3D imaging", whatever you call it, an individuals property without their consent. 

Justifying it as a "faulty copy", and saying you can't fully replicate someone's build isn't any comfort to anyone. Even if you can't copy constraints, It doesn't mean you didn't copy the build. I think any builder here could argue, without a shadow of a doubt, that the majority of the time in most builds isn't spent with the constraints, it's the body of the build. 

In the rules, which if you've read you'd know this, it says "Just because it isn't in the rules doesn't give you a right be a minge".

All the same, just because you say it's minge doesn't make it minge, it was an e2 in development which was supposed to analize a contraption (calculate center of mass, integrity, etc.) Tho nobody asked, they just assumed I copied their things and denounced me to an admin whitout ever asking me... Tho whatever, I see it will be a challenge reasoning with you guys. 

Does anyone have time to ask something like that? Not in the moment, no. Take the perspective that you're a builder and someone asks "can I copy your build?" and then has a hologram copy of their build. Do you stop to ask "yo, is that a copy or is it just the mass center?", or do you assume they've copied your build.

Holograms aren't used to check the mass center of a build either, and "integrity" won't matter with a hologram, or parented props, which is a majority of vehicles.  

I know saying something is "minge" doesn't mean it actually is, obviously that would be an opinion. But when you include screenshots, pictures, videos, etc., it's not just a baseless assertion, it has things backing up the claim or opinion being presented. Similar to inductive reasoning.

[Lertz]

All the same, just because you say it's minge doesn't make it minge, it was an e2 in development which was supposed to analize a contraption (calculate center of mass, integrity, etc.) Tho nobody asked, they just assumed I copied their things and denounced me to an admin whitout ever asking me... Tho whatever, I see it will be a challenge reasoning with you guys. 

Does anyone have time to ask something like that? Not in the moment, no. Take the perspective that you're a builder and someone asks "can I copy your build?" and then has a hologram copy of their build. Do you stop to ask "yo, is that a copy or is it just the mass center?", or do you assume they've copied your build.

Holograms aren't used to check the mass center of a build either, and "integrity" won't matter with a hologram, or parented props, which is a majority of vehicles.  

I know saying something is "minge" doesn't mean it actually is, obviously that would be an opinion. But when you include screenshots, pictures, videos, etc., it's not just a baseless assertion, it has things backing up the claim or opinion being presented. Similar to inductive reasoning.

Well, it does matter when you use the analysis data on your build, if the center of mass is on the back, then you may want to put more weight on the front, even though interesting everybody assumed I stole his build without ever asking, thought it could have been useful that's that

[Vee]

doesnt the server already have a mass center tool for vehicles?